H-4831. A forum community dedicated to the great outdoors and hunting enthusiasts. Have been full length resizing, went to neck only and seated to COL. of 3.165, haven't shot these yet,wind blowing to hard today. F. Guffy, what powder would you suggest in a 22" barrel. First off the Rem corlokts shot 3" groups. I purchased a Tikka T3X in .270 as a sheep rifle, and topped it with a Leupold VX3i 3.5-10 CDS. I ended up with IMR4831 (as suggested by more than one) as the most consistent powder. Definitely consistent enough to trust for hunting. Hildy is getting about the same with the same load. Try the 115 Breger VLD. and very accurate. The .25/06 has kept the .25 caliber alive for more than 50 years because a hunter shooting just three loads in his .25/06 rifle is ready for game from marmots to big deer. Thats why the Vanguard has become one of the most popular rifle options today. 100gr Horn. Come join the discussion about hunting, fishing, survival, archery gunsmithing, optics, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! It can also be defined in terms of the angular dispersion of the bullets. "The paper is showing carbon (fouling) on every shot.". now i can hold 1" groups at 175 yrds. Once in awhile, I get an oddball flyer. This is a max load,and when I went half a grain on higher the groups opened way up. The rifle has around 120 rds or more shot though it. Also went with the Fed primers (was using CCI's initially). I just weighed my cases and I get close to a 3 gr. I asked my gunsmith to make me a rifle chamberd in 25 06 and he replied, "I could never get the 25 06 to shoot." I have tried several different powders, bullets, and loads, best load I have got for it is. In older manuals, it was customary to list powder simply as "4831" with no designation connecting it to the Hodgdon line. The 25-06 is a screamer. You'll end up with not much bullet supported by the case neck which will cause erratic groups. Once hunting season is over, I will do some more testing as the articles suggest. I've always used Rem or Win for my use. Add in a match quality, two-stage trigger that breaks crisp and clean. Had a buck come in and squeezed the trigger click no boom. You can't take the lighter bullets like the 75 gr to 90 gr and seat them out to the lands. Yes they are all close if you look to a powder chart but the burn rates are significantly different enough that you have to work up each powder. The 25-06 was originally the .25 Niedner, named after A.O.Niedner, created in It's interesting you mention that. Lack of factual information and accuracy of stated information. Mine doesn't like Hornady and prefers Sierra or Nosler bullets. The .25-06 is picky on primers though. the remington shells tips are to irregular to be accurate in that small calibur at that yardage . This morning I took a peace of pipe insulation,the kind that fits over 1" pipe, and taped it to the top of the stock,will try this and see if it helps. I have not marked and shot to see which ones are producing the flyers yet. Needing advice. What I found out early on was that it liked the slower powders like from IMR-4831 over to around RL-22. In my hand-loading experiments and bench resting/s. Have shot several nice 5 shot groups. For anyone considering swapping load data between, * (In manuals or writings published before 1973, any mention of 4831 will refer to Hodgdon's H4831. I think that many of the accuracy problems with the #1 boils down to caliber and barrel harmonics. Maybe its more noticeable there. Problem is in the method Ruger uses to hang the fore end. If you can't shoot a 25-06 well you've got some other problem! Despite their similar nomenclature, these two powders (IMR 4831 and Hodgdon H4831) are not interchangeable and must not be confused. The cases were all trimmed to the same length. I built (5) rifles in September and sighted them in and hunted in October. IMR 4831 is significantly faster burning than H4831, and may produce dangerous pressures if used with data developed for the latter.). Finding the right load with some Handis can be a bit frustrating sometimes, but you will find it, eventually, you're going to have to try difference charges of powder to find the load it likes, hopefully sooner than later you'll hit upon a load that has good accuracy..I've only shot factory ammo in my 25-06 Ultra, the 115gr Federal Nosler partitions shoot the best, first 2 shots out of a cold barrel will almost touch, the 3rd will open the group to just shy of 1", to find that load, I went thru at least 6 different factory offerings. Is this enough to make a difference in case volume? I have loaded a lot of rounds for our 25-06 over the years. Stuff happens. Sounds like you're expecting one hole groups you don't need. Good 3/4" to 7/8" as a rule, with a flyer that could be 1-1/4" to 1-1/2" off. I'm still working on getting it to group around 1". I think the 25-06 is at its finest with 120 grain bullets because it is more predictable. Shoulder a Weatherby Vanguard and see for yourself the best rifle value on The 25/06 is a really great cartridge. Good luck! 68wj, Apr 2, 2011 #3. and it will steady down to about .030 movement of the crosshairs at 100 yds. The aluminum options from anywhere else are simply inadequate for the recoil of this round. I think it would be worth a try using Reloder 19 and the Federal 210 primer to see if accuracy doesn't improve. Bolted and squeezed again then boom killed the deer. I've moved back to the 200 yd distance. Found that (possibly because it is a 22" barrel) heavier (or lighter) charges didn't produce any positive results. I don't weigh cases and consistent groups just under 1/2" when I have a good day. Now that being said, what pressure effects this has on this gun is seen very easy, now just maybe an even slower burning powder would help even more but loss of speed is a concern I didn't buy a 25-06 to shoot it at a medium speed thats not what it is known for. I bought a axis last November in 25-06. I read an article that told the story that a major "custom" rifle mfg. I have got several different loading books all of them show different loading data (starting weight and max weight) for different calibers actually the Speer manual says 59 grains is max of IMR4831, I and most people should use these manuals as reference, not as a law, always start low and work your way up while at least shooting 5 of your test loads and check for pressure signs. Thanks for any info you can give. Re: loads for .25-06? (I was just thinking about makin it shoot straight)I usually write in my loading quotes "what is safe in mine may not be safe in yours" and I think most people should adhere to this because there is just to many variables. I don't know if you have tried but sometimes (actually more often then not) an o-ring under the barrel lug helps (search on quick's id and you'll find a good post) also search for fredm he has a personal site documenting his time with a 25-06. The rifles have light recoil, handle wind deflection very well and are easy to hit with. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. One of the overwhelming themes is the recommendation of the Tikka T3 as a rifle. Bart Bobbitt. These shorter barrels make factory velocities seem lagging and in the loadings listed ahead, hunters using factory ammunition in 24 barreled rifles can expect around 70fps above 22 barrel observations. It gives me the highest velocity and lowest SDs. with the same primers and powder and let everyone know the outcome. I mentioned before, I am seating the bullet as recommended by Sierra. Every 25.06 i've ever owned had a 1-10 twist and all have shot the heavier 115 - 120gr bullets with no issues what so ever. I have had this gun for about two years and have shot it close to 600 times everything has been with reloads. Here's my .25-06 Ultra with Burris FFII 3-9x40 mounted in medium rings.. "Always do right, this will gratify some and astonish the rest" - Mark Twain, I use a thin piece of ruba-tex pipe insulation. JavaScript is disabled. Hodgdon lists 54.3 as max for 100gr (Nos Par). Sighted it in and took it hunting. Win LR produced the same results as the Fed's. I use 4895 and 75 gr Vmax in 257 Roberts Ackley, which is almost a 25-06. Providing the confidence of guaranteed SUB-MOA accuracy. For reference, the medium sig zees are .270" tall and the highs are .420" tall. Ps. Have been having some success with getting this rifle dialed in. The 25-06 is a long action caliber that shares a bolt face size of .473", common with many other long action cases. That did wonders. If my rifle has a short barrel I am wasting my time and powder when using a slow powder. There so many varibles that can change pressures that it is wise to start low. What cases are you using? I've had the best luck with Federal or Winchester LR. Just wanted to thank those that made suggestions and let you all know what worked. This article has many accuracy problems. I went through 3 bullet types,3 differant primers,and 2 powders with countless combo's of weights with each powder. Now this is coming from a very capeable benchrest gunsmith who has had his rifles win many matches and set records. had a very difficult time in getting the rifles chambered in 25 06 to shoot accurately. Thanks to all with your suggestions. The .25-06 will generate respectable velocities, driving the 85-grain pills in excess of 3,600 fps, and the heavy 120-grainers to right around 3,200 fps. The .25-06 with 115-120 grain bullets put it into an entirely different category. Powder charges are in the middle. 68wj Member. Also my groups got smaller when I switched to LR mag primers in the 25-06. It runs on a standard large rifle primer, and has a case capacity that is more than likely the tipping point for .25 caliber cartridges, before things get grossly overbore. I've been reading on this forum and in some manuals about case capacity and/or case weight affecting the case pressure. The other ammos, and handloads being over 3". There are also short action receivers having a bolt face of .473" which accommodates shorter rounds like .243, 7mm-08, 308 win, etc. I see 26" as a rule and once in awhile, they will have a 24" barrel on their test rifle. This is where the .25-06 treads close on the heels of the 130 grain bullet in the .270 Winchester. I am the in same boat with 25-06 accuracy, there is no problem with getting accuracy with lighter bullets in this gun(75,87,90), but when you get to the 100 grain bullets (same as yours 100grain hornady spire point) accuracy starts to fall off best I have got is about an inch or so with slow burning powder 52grains IMR4831, if I go to renowned accuracy load of 52 grains of IMR4350 it will shoot about a two inch group. The other issues is it seems to be very finicky with different loads. http://www.egpworld.com/RELOADING/POWDERS/1/BURN_RATES.htm, http://www.exteriorballistics.com/reloadbasics/burnrates.cfm, http://www.aeroballisticsonline.com/ballistics/imrpowder.html, http://www.quarterbore.com/library/articles/2506.html, Blackpowder Mortar & Cannon by Seacoast Artillery, Hand Loading Rifles & Handguns by Diamond K Brass, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. As you seat the bullet further toward the lands, would I need to add more powder to maintain the original pressure? I have had better luck with slower powders imr 7828 and re25 with my 25-06s. sp were about a 3-4" groups with different loads of H-4831. After all this, I am shooting 1/2" to 5/8" groups consistently! I am the in same boat with 25-06 accuracy, there is no problem with getting accuracy with lighter bullets in this gun(75,87,90), but when you get to the 100 grain bullets (same as yours 100grain hornady spire point) accuracy starts to fall off best I have got is about an inch or so with slow burning powder 52grains IMR4831, if I go to renowned accuracy load of 52 grains of IMR4350 it will shoot btsp Horn. What twist is your barrel that will help dictate which wieght bullet to try and also is your barrel light or heavy wieght and also are you letting the barrel cool between shots? flashhole, Apr 2, 2011 #2. The rifle is the Ultra with the Monty Carlo stock. The first load rockets a lightweight bullet that will tumble a coyote slinking along on the far edge of a farm field. In all your opinions, what are the most consistent cases (brand names)? I discovered my 25-06 had more than one high end accuracy sweet spot. Ultimately, I had to free float the barrel, then develop a load to find the nodes on harmonics. Yet a little while and the wicked man shall be no more. Had a light primer strike. singleshot 243 done the same thing till i chaged ammo to winchester supreme 95 gr ballistic silver tip . It still feels like my chin is raising of the stock. Its been cleaned 4 times with Shooters Choice. Performs very well on deer and antelope. There is no way of knowing that they will improve accuracy in all Handi rifles but they did in the 25-06 Ultra I have. IMR4350 is very close. I've honestly never shot a factory bullet out of this rifle so i don't know how they would shoot. A question on changing the bullet seating depth. Ive had 4 different 25/06s over the years and overall performance has always been best with Norma MRP. 2 actually. In fact, a Remington ammunition survey done some years ago showed the 120 grain Core-Lokt load was the best selling of the three .25-06 loads they make. My #1, out of the box (22-250) was terrible. difference in a few cases. The author states when first created loaders used surplus WWII powder. The tightest group I can achieve with it is 2.5" at 85 yards with 180 grain superformance. I mount all of my scopes with Burris Signature Zee rings, medium usually, sometimes high depending on the scope's power ring size and position in reference to the hammer. Fed's are more available locally. Not sure I can afford a 26" barrel and certainly wouldn't want to carry it very far! It travels ultra fast, is super accurate, and is available to take games of many different sizes due to its wide variety of ammunition sizes. I know its been awhile, but it has taken awhile to iron this rifle out. How close should I be keeping them? Not clover leafs but much better that the inconsistent 1" to 1-1/2" groups I started with. 6mm-06, 270, 25-06, 280, 30-06, 35 Whelen, etc. The problem is the weak mounting system that was not one of our steel, six hole mounts. I have tried several different powders, bullets, and loads, best load I have got for it is 58 grains of IMR4831 behind 90 grain sierra bthp it will shoot 1" at 200 yards, or about half inch at a hundred, 75's will shoot better than this but I would not deer hunt with them. I can't seem to find any load data on barrels of varying length. ! When I get somemore time I'll try the 100 gr. It should shoot into one hole with this kind of rest,but it wont. My Last .25-06 After shooting out the barrel of my custom Mauser, I tried several other rifles in .25-06, and while some were quite accurate, not a single one excited me. Had I read them earlier, it may have sped up the process. The Backfire guys review the Mossberg Patriot hunting rifle. I know it could be me, but I think if it were me, it would happen more often. Digger. Would changing the bullet seating depth change the optimal charge? 2 actually. I put the businss cards (3 strips) before the forend floated,and it shot the same 100 gr corlokts into 1.25". It travels ultra fast, is super accurate, and is available to take games of many different sizes due to its wide variety of ammunition sizes. The reason for this is simple; prior to DuPont's introduction of IMR 4831 in 1972, the surplus 4831 sold by Hodgdon was the only powder to carry this designation. I have done several things to increase my accuracy starting with forearm, bedded it about 1" past the forearm screw with belzona then floated it with silicon rubber from front to back this gives it full length padding it gave me about a half inch or more accuracy, next is the underlug, my lock up was not true to the receiver had a gap on one side at lock-up, in my case I welded up the underlug (filled in the half circle for hinge pin) and remilled so it would fit the receiver square this took about three 12 hour night shifts to get it right. Daytona Beach Shores Homes For Sale, Elko County School District Pay Scale, Hss Wiring Diagram 5-way Switch, Oster Toaster Oven Turbo Function, Ice Worms Special Talents, California University Of Science And Medicine Reddit, " /> H-4831. A forum community dedicated to the great outdoors and hunting enthusiasts. Have been full length resizing, went to neck only and seated to COL. of 3.165, haven't shot these yet,wind blowing to hard today. F. Guffy, what powder would you suggest in a 22" barrel. First off the Rem corlokts shot 3" groups. I purchased a Tikka T3X in .270 as a sheep rifle, and topped it with a Leupold VX3i 3.5-10 CDS. I ended up with IMR4831 (as suggested by more than one) as the most consistent powder. Definitely consistent enough to trust for hunting. Hildy is getting about the same with the same load. Try the 115 Breger VLD. and very accurate. The .25/06 has kept the .25 caliber alive for more than 50 years because a hunter shooting just three loads in his .25/06 rifle is ready for game from marmots to big deer. Thats why the Vanguard has become one of the most popular rifle options today. 100gr Horn. Come join the discussion about hunting, fishing, survival, archery gunsmithing, optics, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! It can also be defined in terms of the angular dispersion of the bullets. "The paper is showing carbon (fouling) on every shot.". now i can hold 1" groups at 175 yrds. Once in awhile, I get an oddball flyer. This is a max load,and when I went half a grain on higher the groups opened way up. The rifle has around 120 rds or more shot though it. Also went with the Fed primers (was using CCI's initially). I just weighed my cases and I get close to a 3 gr. I asked my gunsmith to make me a rifle chamberd in 25 06 and he replied, "I could never get the 25 06 to shoot." I have tried several different powders, bullets, and loads, best load I have got for it is. In older manuals, it was customary to list powder simply as "4831" with no designation connecting it to the Hodgdon line. The 25-06 is a screamer. You'll end up with not much bullet supported by the case neck which will cause erratic groups. Once hunting season is over, I will do some more testing as the articles suggest. I've always used Rem or Win for my use. Add in a match quality, two-stage trigger that breaks crisp and clean. Had a buck come in and squeezed the trigger click no boom. You can't take the lighter bullets like the 75 gr to 90 gr and seat them out to the lands. Yes they are all close if you look to a powder chart but the burn rates are significantly different enough that you have to work up each powder. The 25-06 was originally the .25 Niedner, named after A.O.Niedner, created in It's interesting you mention that. Lack of factual information and accuracy of stated information. Mine doesn't like Hornady and prefers Sierra or Nosler bullets. The .25-06 is picky on primers though. the remington shells tips are to irregular to be accurate in that small calibur at that yardage . This morning I took a peace of pipe insulation,the kind that fits over 1" pipe, and taped it to the top of the stock,will try this and see if it helps. I have not marked and shot to see which ones are producing the flyers yet. Needing advice. What I found out early on was that it liked the slower powders like from IMR-4831 over to around RL-22. In my hand-loading experiments and bench resting/s. Have shot several nice 5 shot groups. For anyone considering swapping load data between, * (In manuals or writings published before 1973, any mention of 4831 will refer to Hodgdon's H4831. I think that many of the accuracy problems with the #1 boils down to caliber and barrel harmonics. Maybe its more noticeable there. Problem is in the method Ruger uses to hang the fore end. If you can't shoot a 25-06 well you've got some other problem! Despite their similar nomenclature, these two powders (IMR 4831 and Hodgdon H4831) are not interchangeable and must not be confused. The cases were all trimmed to the same length. I built (5) rifles in September and sighted them in and hunted in October. IMR 4831 is significantly faster burning than H4831, and may produce dangerous pressures if used with data developed for the latter.). Finding the right load with some Handis can be a bit frustrating sometimes, but you will find it, eventually, you're going to have to try difference charges of powder to find the load it likes, hopefully sooner than later you'll hit upon a load that has good accuracy..I've only shot factory ammo in my 25-06 Ultra, the 115gr Federal Nosler partitions shoot the best, first 2 shots out of a cold barrel will almost touch, the 3rd will open the group to just shy of 1", to find that load, I went thru at least 6 different factory offerings. Is this enough to make a difference in case volume? I have loaded a lot of rounds for our 25-06 over the years. Stuff happens. Sounds like you're expecting one hole groups you don't need. Good 3/4" to 7/8" as a rule, with a flyer that could be 1-1/4" to 1-1/2" off. I'm still working on getting it to group around 1". I think the 25-06 is at its finest with 120 grain bullets because it is more predictable. Shoulder a Weatherby Vanguard and see for yourself the best rifle value on The 25/06 is a really great cartridge. Good luck! 68wj, Apr 2, 2011 #3. and it will steady down to about .030 movement of the crosshairs at 100 yds. The aluminum options from anywhere else are simply inadequate for the recoil of this round. I think it would be worth a try using Reloder 19 and the Federal 210 primer to see if accuracy doesn't improve. Bolted and squeezed again then boom killed the deer. I've moved back to the 200 yd distance. Found that (possibly because it is a 22" barrel) heavier (or lighter) charges didn't produce any positive results. I don't weigh cases and consistent groups just under 1/2" when I have a good day. Now that being said, what pressure effects this has on this gun is seen very easy, now just maybe an even slower burning powder would help even more but loss of speed is a concern I didn't buy a 25-06 to shoot it at a medium speed thats not what it is known for. I bought a axis last November in 25-06. I read an article that told the story that a major "custom" rifle mfg. I have got several different loading books all of them show different loading data (starting weight and max weight) for different calibers actually the Speer manual says 59 grains is max of IMR4831, I and most people should use these manuals as reference, not as a law, always start low and work your way up while at least shooting 5 of your test loads and check for pressure signs. Thanks for any info you can give. Re: loads for .25-06? (I was just thinking about makin it shoot straight)I usually write in my loading quotes "what is safe in mine may not be safe in yours" and I think most people should adhere to this because there is just to many variables. I don't know if you have tried but sometimes (actually more often then not) an o-ring under the barrel lug helps (search on quick's id and you'll find a good post) also search for fredm he has a personal site documenting his time with a 25-06. The rifles have light recoil, handle wind deflection very well and are easy to hit with. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. One of the overwhelming themes is the recommendation of the Tikka T3 as a rifle. Bart Bobbitt. These shorter barrels make factory velocities seem lagging and in the loadings listed ahead, hunters using factory ammunition in 24 barreled rifles can expect around 70fps above 22 barrel observations. It gives me the highest velocity and lowest SDs. with the same primers and powder and let everyone know the outcome. I mentioned before, I am seating the bullet as recommended by Sierra. Every 25.06 i've ever owned had a 1-10 twist and all have shot the heavier 115 - 120gr bullets with no issues what so ever. I have had this gun for about two years and have shot it close to 600 times everything has been with reloads. Here's my .25-06 Ultra with Burris FFII 3-9x40 mounted in medium rings.. "Always do right, this will gratify some and astonish the rest" - Mark Twain, I use a thin piece of ruba-tex pipe insulation. JavaScript is disabled. Hodgdon lists 54.3 as max for 100gr (Nos Par). Sighted it in and took it hunting. Win LR produced the same results as the Fed's. I use 4895 and 75 gr Vmax in 257 Roberts Ackley, which is almost a 25-06. Providing the confidence of guaranteed SUB-MOA accuracy. For reference, the medium sig zees are .270" tall and the highs are .420" tall. Ps. Have been having some success with getting this rifle dialed in. The 25-06 is a long action caliber that shares a bolt face size of .473", common with many other long action cases. That did wonders. If my rifle has a short barrel I am wasting my time and powder when using a slow powder. There so many varibles that can change pressures that it is wise to start low. What cases are you using? I've had the best luck with Federal or Winchester LR. Just wanted to thank those that made suggestions and let you all know what worked. This article has many accuracy problems. I went through 3 bullet types,3 differant primers,and 2 powders with countless combo's of weights with each powder. Now this is coming from a very capeable benchrest gunsmith who has had his rifles win many matches and set records. had a very difficult time in getting the rifles chambered in 25 06 to shoot accurately. Thanks to all with your suggestions. The .25-06 will generate respectable velocities, driving the 85-grain pills in excess of 3,600 fps, and the heavy 120-grainers to right around 3,200 fps. The .25-06 with 115-120 grain bullets put it into an entirely different category. Powder charges are in the middle. 68wj Member. Also my groups got smaller when I switched to LR mag primers in the 25-06. It runs on a standard large rifle primer, and has a case capacity that is more than likely the tipping point for .25 caliber cartridges, before things get grossly overbore. I've been reading on this forum and in some manuals about case capacity and/or case weight affecting the case pressure. The other ammos, and handloads being over 3". There are also short action receivers having a bolt face of .473" which accommodates shorter rounds like .243, 7mm-08, 308 win, etc. I see 26" as a rule and once in awhile, they will have a 24" barrel on their test rifle. This is where the .25-06 treads close on the heels of the 130 grain bullet in the .270 Winchester. I am the in same boat with 25-06 accuracy, there is no problem with getting accuracy with lighter bullets in this gun(75,87,90), but when you get to the 100 grain bullets (same as yours 100grain hornady spire point) accuracy starts to fall off best I have got is about an inch or so with slow burning powder 52grains IMR4831, if I go to renowned accuracy load of 52 grains of IMR4350 it will shoot about a two inch group. The other issues is it seems to be very finicky with different loads. http://www.egpworld.com/RELOADING/POWDERS/1/BURN_RATES.htm, http://www.exteriorballistics.com/reloadbasics/burnrates.cfm, http://www.aeroballisticsonline.com/ballistics/imrpowder.html, http://www.quarterbore.com/library/articles/2506.html, Blackpowder Mortar & Cannon by Seacoast Artillery, Hand Loading Rifles & Handguns by Diamond K Brass, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. As you seat the bullet further toward the lands, would I need to add more powder to maintain the original pressure? I have had better luck with slower powders imr 7828 and re25 with my 25-06s. sp were about a 3-4" groups with different loads of H-4831. After all this, I am shooting 1/2" to 5/8" groups consistently! I am the in same boat with 25-06 accuracy, there is no problem with getting accuracy with lighter bullets in this gun(75,87,90), but when you get to the 100 grain bullets (same as yours 100grain hornady spire point) accuracy starts to fall off best I have got is about an inch or so with slow burning powder 52grains IMR4831, if I go to renowned accuracy load of 52 grains of IMR4350 it will shoot btsp Horn. What twist is your barrel that will help dictate which wieght bullet to try and also is your barrel light or heavy wieght and also are you letting the barrel cool between shots? flashhole, Apr 2, 2011 #2. The rifle is the Ultra with the Monty Carlo stock. The first load rockets a lightweight bullet that will tumble a coyote slinking along on the far edge of a farm field. In all your opinions, what are the most consistent cases (brand names)? I discovered my 25-06 had more than one high end accuracy sweet spot. Ultimately, I had to free float the barrel, then develop a load to find the nodes on harmonics. Yet a little while and the wicked man shall be no more. Had a light primer strike. singleshot 243 done the same thing till i chaged ammo to winchester supreme 95 gr ballistic silver tip . It still feels like my chin is raising of the stock. Its been cleaned 4 times with Shooters Choice. Performs very well on deer and antelope. There is no way of knowing that they will improve accuracy in all Handi rifles but they did in the 25-06 Ultra I have. IMR4350 is very close. I've honestly never shot a factory bullet out of this rifle so i don't know how they would shoot. A question on changing the bullet seating depth. Ive had 4 different 25/06s over the years and overall performance has always been best with Norma MRP. 2 actually. In fact, a Remington ammunition survey done some years ago showed the 120 grain Core-Lokt load was the best selling of the three .25-06 loads they make. My #1, out of the box (22-250) was terrible. difference in a few cases. The author states when first created loaders used surplus WWII powder. The tightest group I can achieve with it is 2.5" at 85 yards with 180 grain superformance. I mount all of my scopes with Burris Signature Zee rings, medium usually, sometimes high depending on the scope's power ring size and position in reference to the hammer. Fed's are more available locally. Not sure I can afford a 26" barrel and certainly wouldn't want to carry it very far! It travels ultra fast, is super accurate, and is available to take games of many different sizes due to its wide variety of ammunition sizes. I know its been awhile, but it has taken awhile to iron this rifle out. How close should I be keeping them? Not clover leafs but much better that the inconsistent 1" to 1-1/2" groups I started with. 6mm-06, 270, 25-06, 280, 30-06, 35 Whelen, etc. The problem is the weak mounting system that was not one of our steel, six hole mounts. I have tried several different powders, bullets, and loads, best load I have got for it is 58 grains of IMR4831 behind 90 grain sierra bthp it will shoot 1" at 200 yards, or about half inch at a hundred, 75's will shoot better than this but I would not deer hunt with them. I can't seem to find any load data on barrels of varying length. ! When I get somemore time I'll try the 100 gr. It should shoot into one hole with this kind of rest,but it wont. My Last .25-06 After shooting out the barrel of my custom Mauser, I tried several other rifles in .25-06, and while some were quite accurate, not a single one excited me. Had I read them earlier, it may have sped up the process. The Backfire guys review the Mossberg Patriot hunting rifle. I know it could be me, but I think if it were me, it would happen more often. Digger. Would changing the bullet seating depth change the optimal charge? 2 actually. I put the businss cards (3 strips) before the forend floated,and it shot the same 100 gr corlokts into 1.25". It travels ultra fast, is super accurate, and is available to take games of many different sizes due to its wide variety of ammunition sizes. The reason for this is simple; prior to DuPont's introduction of IMR 4831 in 1972, the surplus 4831 sold by Hodgdon was the only powder to carry this designation. I have done several things to increase my accuracy starting with forearm, bedded it about 1" past the forearm screw with belzona then floated it with silicon rubber from front to back this gives it full length padding it gave me about a half inch or more accuracy, next is the underlug, my lock up was not true to the receiver had a gap on one side at lock-up, in my case I welded up the underlug (filled in the half circle for hinge pin) and remilled so it would fit the receiver square this took about three 12 hour night shifts to get it right. Daytona Beach Shores Homes For Sale, Elko County School District Pay Scale, Hss Wiring Diagram 5-way Switch, Oster Toaster Oven Turbo Function, Ice Worms Special Talents, California University Of Science And Medicine Reddit, " />
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Clark, is your "new system" of driving to the target, the system that Uncle Nick is referring to in the articles? I'm having the same problem, glad to see you've got yours figured out HANDLDR, going to switch brass for my next trip to the range and hope my problem goes away like yours did! Hey, Quick, look at imrpowder.com they have got the same data posted on their site. Oh I tinkered around with IMR 4350 also but 4831 is the propellant for best observed 25-06 accuracy. I also agree that maybe we should not post near max loads but I guess I got carried away and not thinking of the relative dangers. Also locking lug, notched it out to fully engage the under lug (cut a notch in it where it meets the frame so it would stick out further, did not take much off, don't want it to be weak)My accuracy did increase after all this tinkering but I am still not happy with it ,happier but not happy. The .25-06 is an excellent cartridge that offers magnum performance, moderate recoil, respectable barrel life and accuracy. However, many owners claim fantastic accuracy. I have had several, and had accuracy problems with them. H&R Ultra 25-06, 26" Barrel, 4-12x40 Bushnell Banner scope, Weaver med Rings on H&R rail base. An overview of some small upgrades made to the factory rifle to improve performance, adding a Bipod is crucial for our environment to add stability. Yes, I agree with you, my speer manual is very old, I also agree that changing any one of your components while working up a load only means you are asking for trouble. Heres a deer hunting video by BlackandChrome using .25-06 rounds: The .25-06 rifle round is the best multi-application hunting cartridge available today. bullet wieght not enough .also the cxp2 ammo is not to bad for around 100 to 125 yrds. The scope is on 18 pr. Highest BC for .25 cal. I have a Howa 1500 in .338 WM. I have to throw in my vote for lock-up and load. I think this might be a lot. Sent it back to savage they checked it and replaced the bolt. Heres a deer hunting video by BlackandChrome using .25-06 rounds: The .25-06 rifle round is the best multi-application hunting cartridge available today. Drawing the screw up presses the wood against the barrel, kills accuracy. Here is a list of things you can do with simple tools. I've used IMR4350 for over 38 years with excellent results. Have the Leopold high mounts with 3x9x40 Swift scope, would like to use the med., but don't think the scope will clear the hammer. (These days the G7 BC is considered more accurate for long-range bullets, and Nosler lists it at .285.) Accuracy can be defined in terms of group size at a given range, such as a 1" three shot group at 100 yards or 100 meters, measured from center to center of the points of impact. I would be more than unhappy to get a 1300 dollar lemon though. Not the size of one or two groups. It tool a long time, but in You all have been very helpful. 3/4th" average groups with the Speer 87 gr. My 25-06 shows its best accuracy with most jacketed 100 gr bullets and IMR 4831 not>H-4831. A forum community dedicated to the great outdoors and hunting enthusiasts. Have been full length resizing, went to neck only and seated to COL. of 3.165, haven't shot these yet,wind blowing to hard today. F. Guffy, what powder would you suggest in a 22" barrel. First off the Rem corlokts shot 3" groups. I purchased a Tikka T3X in .270 as a sheep rifle, and topped it with a Leupold VX3i 3.5-10 CDS. I ended up with IMR4831 (as suggested by more than one) as the most consistent powder. Definitely consistent enough to trust for hunting. Hildy is getting about the same with the same load. Try the 115 Breger VLD. and very accurate. The .25/06 has kept the .25 caliber alive for more than 50 years because a hunter shooting just three loads in his .25/06 rifle is ready for game from marmots to big deer. Thats why the Vanguard has become one of the most popular rifle options today. 100gr Horn. Come join the discussion about hunting, fishing, survival, archery gunsmithing, optics, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! It can also be defined in terms of the angular dispersion of the bullets. "The paper is showing carbon (fouling) on every shot.". now i can hold 1" groups at 175 yrds. Once in awhile, I get an oddball flyer. This is a max load,and when I went half a grain on higher the groups opened way up. The rifle has around 120 rds or more shot though it. Also went with the Fed primers (was using CCI's initially). I just weighed my cases and I get close to a 3 gr. I asked my gunsmith to make me a rifle chamberd in 25 06 and he replied, "I could never get the 25 06 to shoot." I have tried several different powders, bullets, and loads, best load I have got for it is. In older manuals, it was customary to list powder simply as "4831" with no designation connecting it to the Hodgdon line. The 25-06 is a screamer. You'll end up with not much bullet supported by the case neck which will cause erratic groups. Once hunting season is over, I will do some more testing as the articles suggest. I've always used Rem or Win for my use. Add in a match quality, two-stage trigger that breaks crisp and clean. Had a buck come in and squeezed the trigger click no boom. You can't take the lighter bullets like the 75 gr to 90 gr and seat them out to the lands. Yes they are all close if you look to a powder chart but the burn rates are significantly different enough that you have to work up each powder. The 25-06 was originally the .25 Niedner, named after A.O.Niedner, created in It's interesting you mention that. Lack of factual information and accuracy of stated information. Mine doesn't like Hornady and prefers Sierra or Nosler bullets. The .25-06 is picky on primers though. the remington shells tips are to irregular to be accurate in that small calibur at that yardage . This morning I took a peace of pipe insulation,the kind that fits over 1" pipe, and taped it to the top of the stock,will try this and see if it helps. I have not marked and shot to see which ones are producing the flyers yet. Needing advice. What I found out early on was that it liked the slower powders like from IMR-4831 over to around RL-22. In my hand-loading experiments and bench resting/s. Have shot several nice 5 shot groups. For anyone considering swapping load data between, * (In manuals or writings published before 1973, any mention of 4831 will refer to Hodgdon's H4831. I think that many of the accuracy problems with the #1 boils down to caliber and barrel harmonics. Maybe its more noticeable there. Problem is in the method Ruger uses to hang the fore end. If you can't shoot a 25-06 well you've got some other problem! Despite their similar nomenclature, these two powders (IMR 4831 and Hodgdon H4831) are not interchangeable and must not be confused. The cases were all trimmed to the same length. I built (5) rifles in September and sighted them in and hunted in October. IMR 4831 is significantly faster burning than H4831, and may produce dangerous pressures if used with data developed for the latter.). Finding the right load with some Handis can be a bit frustrating sometimes, but you will find it, eventually, you're going to have to try difference charges of powder to find the load it likes, hopefully sooner than later you'll hit upon a load that has good accuracy..I've only shot factory ammo in my 25-06 Ultra, the 115gr Federal Nosler partitions shoot the best, first 2 shots out of a cold barrel will almost touch, the 3rd will open the group to just shy of 1", to find that load, I went thru at least 6 different factory offerings. Is this enough to make a difference in case volume? I have loaded a lot of rounds for our 25-06 over the years. Stuff happens. Sounds like you're expecting one hole groups you don't need. Good 3/4" to 7/8" as a rule, with a flyer that could be 1-1/4" to 1-1/2" off. I'm still working on getting it to group around 1". I think the 25-06 is at its finest with 120 grain bullets because it is more predictable. Shoulder a Weatherby Vanguard and see for yourself the best rifle value on The 25/06 is a really great cartridge. Good luck! 68wj, Apr 2, 2011 #3. and it will steady down to about .030 movement of the crosshairs at 100 yds. The aluminum options from anywhere else are simply inadequate for the recoil of this round. I think it would be worth a try using Reloder 19 and the Federal 210 primer to see if accuracy doesn't improve. Bolted and squeezed again then boom killed the deer. I've moved back to the 200 yd distance. Found that (possibly because it is a 22" barrel) heavier (or lighter) charges didn't produce any positive results. I don't weigh cases and consistent groups just under 1/2" when I have a good day. Now that being said, what pressure effects this has on this gun is seen very easy, now just maybe an even slower burning powder would help even more but loss of speed is a concern I didn't buy a 25-06 to shoot it at a medium speed thats not what it is known for. I bought a axis last November in 25-06. I read an article that told the story that a major "custom" rifle mfg. I have got several different loading books all of them show different loading data (starting weight and max weight) for different calibers actually the Speer manual says 59 grains is max of IMR4831, I and most people should use these manuals as reference, not as a law, always start low and work your way up while at least shooting 5 of your test loads and check for pressure signs. Thanks for any info you can give. Re: loads for .25-06? (I was just thinking about makin it shoot straight)I usually write in my loading quotes "what is safe in mine may not be safe in yours" and I think most people should adhere to this because there is just to many variables. I don't know if you have tried but sometimes (actually more often then not) an o-ring under the barrel lug helps (search on quick's id and you'll find a good post) also search for fredm he has a personal site documenting his time with a 25-06. The rifles have light recoil, handle wind deflection very well and are easy to hit with. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. One of the overwhelming themes is the recommendation of the Tikka T3 as a rifle. Bart Bobbitt. These shorter barrels make factory velocities seem lagging and in the loadings listed ahead, hunters using factory ammunition in 24 barreled rifles can expect around 70fps above 22 barrel observations. It gives me the highest velocity and lowest SDs. with the same primers and powder and let everyone know the outcome. I mentioned before, I am seating the bullet as recommended by Sierra. Every 25.06 i've ever owned had a 1-10 twist and all have shot the heavier 115 - 120gr bullets with no issues what so ever. I have had this gun for about two years and have shot it close to 600 times everything has been with reloads. Here's my .25-06 Ultra with Burris FFII 3-9x40 mounted in medium rings.. "Always do right, this will gratify some and astonish the rest" - Mark Twain, I use a thin piece of ruba-tex pipe insulation. JavaScript is disabled. Hodgdon lists 54.3 as max for 100gr (Nos Par). Sighted it in and took it hunting. Win LR produced the same results as the Fed's. I use 4895 and 75 gr Vmax in 257 Roberts Ackley, which is almost a 25-06. Providing the confidence of guaranteed SUB-MOA accuracy. For reference, the medium sig zees are .270" tall and the highs are .420" tall. Ps. Have been having some success with getting this rifle dialed in. The 25-06 is a long action caliber that shares a bolt face size of .473", common with many other long action cases. That did wonders. If my rifle has a short barrel I am wasting my time and powder when using a slow powder. There so many varibles that can change pressures that it is wise to start low. What cases are you using? I've had the best luck with Federal or Winchester LR. Just wanted to thank those that made suggestions and let you all know what worked. This article has many accuracy problems. I went through 3 bullet types,3 differant primers,and 2 powders with countless combo's of weights with each powder. Now this is coming from a very capeable benchrest gunsmith who has had his rifles win many matches and set records. had a very difficult time in getting the rifles chambered in 25 06 to shoot accurately. Thanks to all with your suggestions. The .25-06 will generate respectable velocities, driving the 85-grain pills in excess of 3,600 fps, and the heavy 120-grainers to right around 3,200 fps. The .25-06 with 115-120 grain bullets put it into an entirely different category. Powder charges are in the middle. 68wj Member. Also my groups got smaller when I switched to LR mag primers in the 25-06. It runs on a standard large rifle primer, and has a case capacity that is more than likely the tipping point for .25 caliber cartridges, before things get grossly overbore. I've been reading on this forum and in some manuals about case capacity and/or case weight affecting the case pressure. The other ammos, and handloads being over 3". There are also short action receivers having a bolt face of .473" which accommodates shorter rounds like .243, 7mm-08, 308 win, etc. I see 26" as a rule and once in awhile, they will have a 24" barrel on their test rifle. This is where the .25-06 treads close on the heels of the 130 grain bullet in the .270 Winchester. I am the in same boat with 25-06 accuracy, there is no problem with getting accuracy with lighter bullets in this gun(75,87,90), but when you get to the 100 grain bullets (same as yours 100grain hornady spire point) accuracy starts to fall off best I have got is about an inch or so with slow burning powder 52grains IMR4831, if I go to renowned accuracy load of 52 grains of IMR4350 it will shoot about a two inch group. The other issues is it seems to be very finicky with different loads. http://www.egpworld.com/RELOADING/POWDERS/1/BURN_RATES.htm, http://www.exteriorballistics.com/reloadbasics/burnrates.cfm, http://www.aeroballisticsonline.com/ballistics/imrpowder.html, http://www.quarterbore.com/library/articles/2506.html, Blackpowder Mortar & Cannon by Seacoast Artillery, Hand Loading Rifles & Handguns by Diamond K Brass, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. As you seat the bullet further toward the lands, would I need to add more powder to maintain the original pressure? I have had better luck with slower powders imr 7828 and re25 with my 25-06s. sp were about a 3-4" groups with different loads of H-4831. After all this, I am shooting 1/2" to 5/8" groups consistently! I am the in same boat with 25-06 accuracy, there is no problem with getting accuracy with lighter bullets in this gun(75,87,90), but when you get to the 100 grain bullets (same as yours 100grain hornady spire point) accuracy starts to fall off best I have got is about an inch or so with slow burning powder 52grains IMR4831, if I go to renowned accuracy load of 52 grains of IMR4350 it will shoot btsp Horn. What twist is your barrel that will help dictate which wieght bullet to try and also is your barrel light or heavy wieght and also are you letting the barrel cool between shots? flashhole, Apr 2, 2011 #2. The rifle is the Ultra with the Monty Carlo stock. The first load rockets a lightweight bullet that will tumble a coyote slinking along on the far edge of a farm field. In all your opinions, what are the most consistent cases (brand names)? I discovered my 25-06 had more than one high end accuracy sweet spot. Ultimately, I had to free float the barrel, then develop a load to find the nodes on harmonics. Yet a little while and the wicked man shall be no more. Had a light primer strike. singleshot 243 done the same thing till i chaged ammo to winchester supreme 95 gr ballistic silver tip . It still feels like my chin is raising of the stock. Its been cleaned 4 times with Shooters Choice. Performs very well on deer and antelope. There is no way of knowing that they will improve accuracy in all Handi rifles but they did in the 25-06 Ultra I have. IMR4350 is very close. I've honestly never shot a factory bullet out of this rifle so i don't know how they would shoot. A question on changing the bullet seating depth. Ive had 4 different 25/06s over the years and overall performance has always been best with Norma MRP. 2 actually. In fact, a Remington ammunition survey done some years ago showed the 120 grain Core-Lokt load was the best selling of the three .25-06 loads they make. My #1, out of the box (22-250) was terrible. difference in a few cases. The author states when first created loaders used surplus WWII powder. The tightest group I can achieve with it is 2.5" at 85 yards with 180 grain superformance. I mount all of my scopes with Burris Signature Zee rings, medium usually, sometimes high depending on the scope's power ring size and position in reference to the hammer. Fed's are more available locally. Not sure I can afford a 26" barrel and certainly wouldn't want to carry it very far! It travels ultra fast, is super accurate, and is available to take games of many different sizes due to its wide variety of ammunition sizes. I know its been awhile, but it has taken awhile to iron this rifle out. How close should I be keeping them? Not clover leafs but much better that the inconsistent 1" to 1-1/2" groups I started with. 6mm-06, 270, 25-06, 280, 30-06, 35 Whelen, etc. The problem is the weak mounting system that was not one of our steel, six hole mounts. I have tried several different powders, bullets, and loads, best load I have got for it is 58 grains of IMR4831 behind 90 grain sierra bthp it will shoot 1" at 200 yards, or about half inch at a hundred, 75's will shoot better than this but I would not deer hunt with them. I can't seem to find any load data on barrels of varying length. ! When I get somemore time I'll try the 100 gr. It should shoot into one hole with this kind of rest,but it wont. My Last .25-06 After shooting out the barrel of my custom Mauser, I tried several other rifles in .25-06, and while some were quite accurate, not a single one excited me. Had I read them earlier, it may have sped up the process. The Backfire guys review the Mossberg Patriot hunting rifle. I know it could be me, but I think if it were me, it would happen more often. Digger. Would changing the bullet seating depth change the optimal charge? 2 actually. I put the businss cards (3 strips) before the forend floated,and it shot the same 100 gr corlokts into 1.25". It travels ultra fast, is super accurate, and is available to take games of many different sizes due to its wide variety of ammunition sizes. The reason for this is simple; prior to DuPont's introduction of IMR 4831 in 1972, the surplus 4831 sold by Hodgdon was the only powder to carry this designation. I have done several things to increase my accuracy starting with forearm, bedded it about 1" past the forearm screw with belzona then floated it with silicon rubber from front to back this gives it full length padding it gave me about a half inch or more accuracy, next is the underlug, my lock up was not true to the receiver had a gap on one side at lock-up, in my case I welded up the underlug (filled in the half circle for hinge pin) and remilled so it would fit the receiver square this took about three 12 hour night shifts to get it right.

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